Should I invoke ’successful troll is successful,’ Josh?

My anime collection would say differently. Sure, anime has more “moe” and fan service than other mediums. But is it the “point” of the medium? No. Nor is it unique to anime, as complaints about sexuality in TVs and movies can attest to.

@Anoy: To me, anime is simply expanding the boundaries of reality since animation can create a reality that is different from real life. This is something that is restricted by the use of real people in terms of human-based drama.

Hence, I do not see moe girls and fanservice as the unique point. It is more of the exploration of things that cannot be realized in real life restrictions that makes animation unique.

This means that anime can be used for moe stuff, but it’s also possible to use it to explore deviant and less mainstream themes that will be more disturbing in a real life scenario (how many fricking non-blood related sister moeness do we have already?). Bring one to a real life drama series, and shit goes up the roof.

1) If people like “fan-service-for-the-sake-of-fan-service” shows, then I guess that’s their prerogative, just like some people don’t like shows based off of visual novels while others do.

Personally, I don’t like them, and I think Owen is wrong to seem to suggest that we have no reason to dislike them if we still watch other anime that may include fan service.

That’s my first, more diplomatic answer.

2) Getting deeper into the argument about fan service and less diplomatic about it…

From my point of view, anyway, anime has a significant image problem in that people think of it as kid shows or as hentai, and little in between, and I think that acts as a barrier both for people to start watching it and for those people who do watch it to do it in any way other than doing so in the closet, so to speak.

Shows like Kanokon, to me, just perpetuate this problem since all the show is an excuse to flash boobs and panties on the screen over and over again. I’m not trying to exaggerate when I made the analogy to Girls Gone Wild because I actually see them as essentially serving the same function.

And it’s doing all this while providing basically 0 in added value to the medium of anime in general. All you pretty get is a bunch of fapping otakus (and I question anyone who doesn’t believe that this is the purpose of creating shows like Kanokon. Perhaps some people watch it for other reasons, but that is the primary one), all the while getting another example for people to point at to show how out of the mainstream anime is. I essentially see no reason or value to shows like this in any way.

I’ll let this comment go without delving into my own person ethical and moral views on the topic, since they’re not necessarily relevant to the discussion.

Maybe I’m in the minority for thinking things like that. Just reading blogs I seem to think so since nearly every blog I’ve read on the series seem to think that the show’s great. Maybe I’m just not hitting the right ones.

For me, I think that having fanservice just because it’s fanservice is fun, as long as shows are being honest with it. Is there “better” stuff out there that the money for Kanokon could be spent on? Sure. And if I don’t care to watch Kanokon, I could easily watch other stuff without worrying about what it has to offer, since I’m not buying it. As I said at the start, what I don’t understand is the bashing by people who aren’t going to watch it, or other shows of that nature. You can just leave them alone, right?